17 comments on “ECBT2000AD Podcast – Ep153

  1. Listened to the first half hour walking into work this morning. On the thing of the un-altered judges, I took it they were guards and staff held hostage which was why they were getting the “They tried to kill YOU as well. Join us” type speech

  2. If they were guards and staff, then who were the floaters in space and it must’ve been a very easy to overthrow Titan. I can tell you for a fact, if I was a guard and my mates had been killed by imprisoned Judges, then I wouldn’t side with them, no matter what ;-)

    • I assumed that they were new arrivals from Mega-City One that hadn’t been processed yet. Nixon seemed to be pleading with the newbies not to stay and allow the Justice Deptartment to mutilate them. They were still “pure” in a way and since they had been discarded they didn’t owe the system anything.

      • “I assumed that they were new arrivals from Mega-City One that hadn’t been processed yet”

        Yep – Nixon interrupts her own facial surgery by grabbing a scalpel and kicking off the insurrection, so anyone behind her in the queue wouldn’t have been fitted with the face furniture. As Burdis points out, though, that means when those with their pretty faces left intact are making a break for the shuttles they should be unable to breath.

        Actually, has the exact nature of Titan’s atmosphere and the degree to which it would incapacitate someone without surgery ever been specified? Narration stated inmates need the surgery to work without ABA, but I suppose it’s possible the environment isn’t instantly lethal. Burdis’s other O2 related quibble – the Sarge’s use of a single borrowed pack to sustain him during Dredd’s long hours of torture – hadn’t occurred to me, but I suppose he might have borrowed more than one before the cons find him.

        Top nit-picking, as usual, chaps, and I’m sure Judge Burdis would have gotten even more out of the strip if he’d clocked that Dredd was thinking of blowing up the shuttles until reminded of his responsibilities as a judge by Gerhart, and not the other way round. That was sort of the defining plot point, around which the whole strip and its themes revolved, and Nixon’s torture of Dredd was specifically designed to make him forget the primacy of his role as a judge and thus help her commit suicide by acting out of revenge.

        That’s the significance of the now-less-than-human Gerhart’s exhortation to remember that when you’ve lost everything else (including your cock, presumably) you’re still a judge. I expected a little more discussion of that crucial plot point, to be honest. I’ve enjoyed Titan mightily, and one of the reasons for that is that it wasn’t ONLY a straightforward action thriller, and actually looked at what becoming a judge means giving up and what’s left when that’s taken away – in the cases of Nixon, Gerhart, and Dredd himself.

  3. Hi. I thought I’d write some more detailed feedback as I sent you a tweet earlier and it’s a bit hard to write constructive criticism in 140 characters without it sounding like moaning…

    Anyway, about a month ago I got really bored of listening to music on my daily commute. I wanted someting a bit more interesting and I discovered podcasts. I listen to about 3 hours worth a day now and ECBT2000AD is by far the one I look forward to the most. It’s also the one with the most shockingly awful audio quality which makes it really hard to listen to. I listen on the train and I find I can hardly hear you most of the time, even on max volume (this also means that when intro music kicks in it’s so loud it nearly makes me go deaf)

    Most of the time it sounds like you were recorded on a really cheap dictaphone with one of the participants calling in on an ancient Nokia phone on speaker mode. Could you invest in a couple of decent mics and up the audio bitrate? 28mb for an 80 minute podcast is far too compressed IMO.

  4. Hey, thanks for the feedback. I’ll be honest, it’s all about cost. If you want to publish a podcast you have to use libsyn and they charge for different allowances. The bitrate we use is kept low for just that reason and means we can put out a lot of podcasts on the months where there are ECBTs, Megacasts, ESW2000ADs and the odd interview or whatever. Double the bitrate, we double what we have to pay to post these things up.

    That said there are some extra tweaks I could do before posting these up and I agree, on the last one when listening walking to work I could hear Burdis fine but lost a lot of what Flint was saying. On the next one I’ll do some digital pissing about to try and level it out a bit more.

    As far as mics go it’s recorded over skype 90% of the time which is why it’s not brilliant.

    Perils of an amateur hobby podcast I’m afraid.

    • Thanks for the reply, I genuinely love what you guys do so I hope I didn’t come across as whinging c*nt! I’d be more than happy to chuck you a few quid if it meant better quality podcasts, I’m sure I’m not the only one… :)

  5. If these are inmates who have arrived without having surgery then there is a problem…
    Titan goes dark six hours prior to the story.

    Now, if this is because Nixon just arrived with other inmates, killed the surgeon and instigated revolt (fast work) then it doesn’t work with what she tells us.
    Nixon stated that the cubes were getting infected during Chaos Day (over a year ago). She and others were moved to a holding facility and eventually the SJS came in and shipped some out. This would only make sense if it were around the time of the Chaos Bug, otherwise she would have been in the holding pen for a year and with the city in recovery, what would be the urgency to relocate these inmates now? If they have held them for over a year in the worst crisis the city has ever known, then it can only get better, right?

    Conversely, if this was just after the Chaos and she got there and capped the surgeon just after arrival, there would be no more surgery for over a year. Have these inmates been standing around indoors for a year? Have the Titan guards missed the fact that prisoners are not being operated on?

    • Those prisoners were placed in temporary holding facilities in MC1 until a more permanent solution could be found; Titan, by its nature, being a very Final Solution. Since I’ve used the phrase Final Solution, think of the pens in which we see Nixon and McIntosh associate as the Warsaw Ghetto and Titan as a one way ticket like Auschwitz. The Ghetto operated for two years before deportations to Treblinka started in July 1942.

      It hasn’t been stated how long it took for health considerations to escalate to a level which convinced the department that it was necessary to take such drastic measures, neither has there been much indication of the extent to which MC1 has bounced back from Chaos Day. Current stories alternate between the kind of thing that could have been published in 1980 and stuff that emphasizes the shortages of materiel and manpower.

    • Those prisoners were placed in temporary holding facilities in MC1 until a more permanent solution could be found; Titan, by its nature, being a very Final Solution. Since I’ve used the phrase Final Solution, think of the pens in which we see Nixon and McIntosh associate as the Warsaw Ghetto and Titan as a one way ticket like Auschwitz. The Ghetto operated for two years before deportations to Treblinka started in July 1942.

      It hasn’t been stated how long it took for health considerations to escalate to a level which convinced the department that it was necessary to take such drastic measures, neither has there been much indication of the extent to which MC1 has bounced back from Chaos Day. Current stories alternate between the kind of thing that could have been published in 1980 and stuff that emphasizes the shortages of materiel and manpower.

  6. Certainly worth further thought but from my memory of Krakow the Final Solution was always going to be such and the holding facility of the ghetto was simple logistics.
    Here we have an extraordinary situation where prisoners not bound for Titan are kept for over a year in a facility and there is no logical reason for that to change if the place is stable, secure and maintained, even when everything hit the fan. We can speculate (and you give an excellent speculative argument) but that is part of the issue with this tale. There is nothing cohesive about it.

    • ” the holding facility of the ghetto was simple logistics”

      Aye, that’s the only point of correspondence I intended to suggest with that metaphor, although the Wannsee Conference only arrived at the final solution a few months before the first deportations from the Ghetto began. Ian Kershaw describes how there was no grand plan behind Nazi policy; it was all made up on the hoof, with underlings responding to pressing circumstances in whatever way they imagined might find favour with their superiors.

      That’s basically what SJS have done here, isn’t it? That also answers the question you pose elsewhere concerning the apparently unresolved anomaly of Gerhart’s presence on the team. SJS either originated the plan or were tasked with clearing the camps and with the mass deportation of prisoners off-world, so they own the fuck up. Having their own man on the mission who can influence decisions taken probably didn’t work out the way they expected.

      Gerhart starts the story appearing to speak and act as SJS programming has intended, but demonstrates that his loyalties as a judge override such considerations. I’m sure his superiors would rather he had let Dredd destroy witnesses to the rebellion who could testify towards its causes … and take the flack if SJS decided to prosecute Dredd for the indiscriminate slaughter of folk who could be considered hostages.

      • That is a valid possibility. But again is just as likely as Gerhart being there simply for story convenience.
        Why would the SJS spare McIntosh if they don’t care about the prisoners enough to honour any agreements then? If they are just going in and decamping the entire contingent of Judges in the cube survivors, then surely he would have been relocated too?
        Again though the time has passed and the facility is robust, so why relocate them now?

  7. It is a simple choice for the newbies: Stay and let the Judges gut you. Then they will force you to do back breaking hard labour for the next 20 years. And then when that is over you can either remain on Titan and become a warden or take your chances as a down and out on the streets of the most violent city on Earth.

    Or you can take a leap of faith, hold your breath for as long as you can and make a run for the shuttle. It’s a bit like that film 127 Hours – cut your arm off and live or just sit and wait for death.

  8. “Why would the SJS spare McIntosh if they don’t care about the prisoners enough to honour any agreements then? If they are just going in and decamping the entire contingent of Judges in the cube survivors, then surely he would have been relocated too? Again though the time has passed and the facility is robust, so why relocate them now?”

    There was no deal between McIntosh and the department like the one struck with Nixon. The reason stated for McIntosh serving his time in MC1 is that, as a former governor, he would have been torn apart by the inmates of Titan, and that hasn’t changed.

    You’re starting from a false assumption regarding the decision to deport the Earthbound prisoners to Titan. The crisis, in terms of the manpower and resources needed to maintain their incarceration, HASN’T passed. Says so in the story. If there’s been a moment in the strip when Hershey or anyone else has announced that staff levels have been restored and the city rebuilt, I missed it.

    Staffing levels and resources on Titan were unaffected by the destruction of 90% of MC1 during Chaos Day.

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